Curse

XvArchonvX · Oct 23, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

While in theory the survivor title sounds like a good way to show that you know how to handle yourself, it really loses a lot of merit since there are so many ways to get around actually working for it. Also glitch and lag deaths really aren't fair for those who have worked hard at attaining it legitimately. Going for anything beyond a lvl 1 survivor title on a Canthan char is a waste of time imho since there are too many ways to lose it from factors beyond your control (i.e. lag death, glitches, etc) and the only way to really attain it with any form of reliability is to grind farm it.

Daemon Loki · Oct 23, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

I had the same problem had been playing my assassin he was around level 17 and look at my deaths after logging in one day and see 1. I had just finished Zen Daijun with a personal friend the night before and I know that before that mission I had no deaths and during the mission I had no deaths, I was sort of mad because I know for a fact that I did not die at any time and never went AFK once, even when asking if I had died he had responded no.

Its one thing when you die and see yourself do it but when you die having no clue how it happened it just plain sucks, atleast I was only level 17 at the time so no harm done but I think I must have died at the end cutscene even though we had skipped it. Considering there is all that pink -5 degen Miasma and I could have possibly been low on health that is my only idea. Players should become invincible during the cutscenes.

I feel your pain and I agree this should be fixed.

Elbereth_Tiniquetil · Oct 23, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

Survivor title is a bugger of a title and as said by others can cause antisocial behaviour

The first time playing for the survivor title I played on the factions side for faster leveling playing in teams, I never left a group had some very close calls, at one point my hp was down to 40 but I survived. I got my toon to level 16 and decided to try lv up in the naga source area. I did ok but was taking 3/4 damage from spirit rifts so I decided to leave the area and when in a safe place I mapped back to town.

Back in town I noticed that the bar had disappeared and I had recorded a death.

Este No.2
Died at level 17 when playing with a group doing cap son…

Este No.3
My character died at level 19 while getting the sanctum cay mission run by a level20 warrior who was one of the most uncoordinated runners of all time. I could see that the viz was about to die so from frustration I decided to map, (I had paid the runner at the start btw) back in town my cr had recorded a death, she must have died mid mapping.

Este No.4
This time no chances, I took ½ protection spells and completed all the quests / missions on the island then moved to KC did some easy quests to get to lv 20 and finally got the first survivor level. Decided best way to lv was capping so moved to LA did some missions to get to drocs but in S Cay mid mission was about to die so did the evil f12 but the game recorded a death. I think that game mods have moved to stop people cheating by recording a death if you leave a group or mission mid battle.

After my characters death I just played the game normal and had a lot more fun, we all joked about how bad we played when we died. I don’t think I will go for this title anymore as its more fun to play the game with groups without the stress or jerkiness of leaving a group just for a title.

Redwinter · Oct 24, 2006, 03:18 AM // 03:18

Happened to me twice, and what I suspect:

GW doesn't always give you the most up to date info on health and such. While the server makes calculations, the game fails to update your /deaths count for a teeny while.

Thus, you leave a hairy situation, and while the map for the next area is loading, your character is standing there getting whaled on. You check your /deaths count immediately after arriving, but the game hasn't finished doing the procedures for removing your survivor title, upping the count & loading the new area, so there's a delay in registering the deaths.

Then again, it could be a bug. I didn't think I would've died, when my mesmer lost her chance at Indomitable.

rezabm · Oct 24, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

Survivor title is the most contraproductive title ever. Everytime there was a survivorman/woman on our team he/she disconnected when the situation got a little bit rough...Result? I'm now rather finicky when it comes to accept another survivor geek to our team

Aillas · Oct 24, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

No kidding - I hate adventuring with people working on survivor (of course the smart one don't display that title) unless they are friends/guild/alliance and they are up front about playing it safe - hanging back, running away, mapping out in total emergencies.

XvArchonvX · Oct 24, 2006, 05:00 PM // 17:00

I find it kind of ironic that I got the survivor title (lvl 1) on my assasin in attempts to display that I could play the class wisely (protective spirit ftw), but even though I have discontinued my efforts to further my title, I now fear that groups may actually not want to let me in since they might assume me to be more worried about surviving than helping.

Darkpower Alchemist · Oct 24, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

I have a warrrior with only 11 deaths and in Maatu Keep. Never left anyone, and always had a RL group when in missions,so if that's not surviving,I don't know what is. My first death happened half way through lvl 19.

No title, but I am still proud.

hidden_agenda · Oct 24, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Well, I have to admit that most of the people posted on this topic are way better than me in avoiding death. It took me 9 tries before I managed to get one char to the 1st level of the Survivor title.

I think it may have something to do with my gaming personality which tends to be risk-loving (as oppose to somewhat risk averse in real-life, after all no resurrection shrines next to the black diamond skii slope)...

My 4th level char going for a Survivor title: "Hey, there is a 12th level Red Yeti! I am gonna go kick his butt!"

Less than a minute later, me in front of the computer: "FRAK!! There goes another try..."

Rera · Oct 24, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54

I've addressed the issues around the survivor title so many times it's becoming frustrating.

- There's a real and significant difference between "do X without dying" and "do X with 0 deaths, period". The first allows mistakes - you can mess up and still have a shot at the title. The latter does not. If you die, you remake, and that's it. This presents a real and serious risk - the equipment you bought and the time you spent on the character will be wasted if you choose to remake - and that translates into a significant psychological burden. If you change the Legendary Survivor title to "get X exp without dying", it is no longer the same title at all.

- The solution for old characters without changing the mechanics of the title is to allow all characters created before Factions release a one-time death reset.

- Going for survivor involves minimizing risks. There's the risk of people actively trying to get you killed to ruin your chance at survivor, or people who are just plain incompetent and will get you killed because they don't know and don't want to know how to play the game correctly. The solution is to not group with these people - take henchmen, guildies, or friends. There's the risk of disconnection. The solution is to make sure that, even if you disconnect, you won't die. Obviously, there's no way to guarantee this, but taking a full group and playing very carefully will minimize the chances of deaths due to disconnections, power failure, and other non-game factors. This is why I stopped advocating exp farming for survivor purposes - you can't survive mistakes or unforseen problems. If you d/c in the middle of 16 trolls, you're dead. This also means that you shouldn't be playing your survivor character when there's a high chance of disconnection, say, during a thunderstorm.

KANE OG · Oct 25, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

My Mes has just reached lvl 1 survivor.... legit! Yes, I had a Guildie or two helping. But just because you're duoing ettins, bog scales and mergoyles with a lvl 20 ele helping doesn't guarantee a thing. It was a rush in the tight situations when she died and I had to fend for myself. Sorry to the OP for the loss... I woulda broke something.

Mandrea · Nov 11, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30

honestly, i'm not sure what you guys are talking about.

13 days, survivor 3, no problems. no mapping out, no close calls.

to make it crazier, i played a dervish mystic sandstorm build >.>

its all about starting in NF, going back to cantha to do up to eternal grove (the hatchery is cake..) and then capping your surviving little face off!

if you're a caster, its pretty easy, stock up with 3 healers, and play the role of "backup healer"...enchantments + signet of pious light ftw!

Count to Potato · Nov 11, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

maybe you had one of those short term memory losses, and forgot you died, or you just wont admit you couldn't click the exit button fast enough

Alias_X · Nov 11, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

It could be some sort of lag issue. Sometimes the minutes drunk for the drunkard title don't add up immediately either.

Loki Seiguro · Nov 11, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

i dont mind grinding for the title. Im about to make a monk with a freind of mine in the original prophocies campigen and try to get to lvl 20 there lol..i herad there is another title you can get if you attain lvl 20 in presearing.....and also i dont thkn deaths in presearing count..

Tranquilis · Nov 12, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by The truth itself

Survivor title is the most stupid title imo, forcing you to play for the good of yourself, instead of playing for the good of the team.

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Originally Posted by rezabm

Survivor title is the most contraproductive title ever. Everytime there was a survivorman/woman on our team he/she disconnected when the situation got a little bit rough...Result? I'm now rather finicky when it comes to accept another survivor geek to our team

No, it certainly doesn't force you to play selfish. Certainly there's an incentive to so play, and some people will assign negative expectations to you if you let it be known that you're hunting that title.

OTOH, I have lost the title five times in six tries sticking with the team and playing for the party, instead of mapping out when things have gone south. I can't count the number of times I nearly lost the title sticking it out. The only thing this title hunt does is make me play more conservatively and smarter - no swashbuckling. But I still take missions, I still shepard green players through missions, and I still advance the storyline.

I'm not the only one, either.

So, watch that broad brush you're swinging there... you're painting some people that don't deserve it.

BeXoR · Nov 14, 2006, 10:30 AM // 10:30

I was farming ghial with a 55/spirit bond build during the double green drop weekend and I'd zone out to Bukdek from Xaquang and when I'd get out there I'd have an extra 15% debt. It happened two or three times. No mobs around or anything. It might have had something to do wiht me being a 55 and it calculating the -hp wrong since I think I had some debt. I haven't done anything that has caused this since.

I bug reported it though.

Faith Angelis · Nov 14, 2006, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Been working on a survivor character for the past few days - now on my second attempt after losing the first at rank 10 while mapping out of an area. As someone above said, I think while you are zoning, until loaded your character is just standing there getting slapped.

My solution? If it comes close to the wire, I'm not bothering with zoning, or even F12+Enter ... good old Alt+F4 for me.

(Worth mentioning that my Survivor wannabe only plays with henchies or understanding friends!)

The Silver Star · Nov 14, 2006, 11:43 AM // 11:43

Sounds like somebody died and would like that death to be a "bug" and hopefully nice little Anet will take away there little death...

Eilsys · Nov 14, 2006, 11:47 AM // 11:47

An easy "fix" would be to make it consecutive experiance, so if you messed up, you could still try again on the same toon.

I always do something stupid and die early usually, so I don't bother going for 'em.